Forum:Daughter of Cave and Caroline?
- Chell being adopted and Chell being a "daughter" of an employee are not contradictory. But Chell being the daughter of Cave and Caroline doesn't add up because she is not white.--62.142.167.134 04:36, April 20, 2011 (UTC)
- True, I just find it interesting that Chell was previously involved with Aperture. Perhaps she was brought in by a parent in response to "Bring your daughter to work day is a perfect opportunity to get your daughter tested!" Either way she has a history with the place. --SodaSmurf 04:47, April 20, 2011 (UTC)
- The ending where GLaDOS is overwhelmed with a flood of emotion from Caroline when she sees chell waking up, and her response of "oh good you're awake" seemed way more than just caring for a fellow human being, seemed almost parental in magnitude. Also in the ending song there is the line "She was alot like you" which also hints at chell being Caroline's descendant. I dont think we should rely on the photos and model of Chell from portal 1 as "evidence" she is not Caucasian. I dont think the valve writers would have been thinking about chells parents back then. She definatly looks more Caucasian in Portal 2 202.89.183.43 15:03, April 20, 2011 (UTC)
- Given that GLaDOS (POTaTOS at the time) mentions her being "actually" adopted her nationality wouldn't really matter if she were Caroline's adopted daughter. --Frankcast11 22:40, April 20, 2011 (UTC)
- GLaDOS only knows what was in her file, which had all her details redacted. Can people please stop getting hung up on GLaDOS saying she was adopted?? its nothing more than a demotivational tool used by GLaDOS during testing. Should we also assume she had no friends, and is fat? If people really want a plausible explanation for her being "adopted" then try this: Soon after the birth of Chell Cave johnson died of kidney failure, as per his wishes caroline was then forced into having her brain downloaded into the supercomputer and was murdered / killed as part of the process. Leaving the child (chell) without parents, she was then adopted by the Apature Science corp, since glados was in charge and at that point caroline probably had more influence.202.89.183.43 10:30, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
- Well if you think about it demotivational tools only work if they hit you at your core. What if Chell knew she was adopted and never liked the fact? GLaDOS would then keep poking at it, heck she even mentions she was adopted during the battle with her at the end of Portal. Plus, Chell is a woman, and as a woman she probably cares about her appearance, including her weight. This could be supported by the fact that GLaDOS later says that the jumpsuit she's wearing looks stupid, thus demeaning her appearance even further. Maybe being a friendless loser also would hit her emotionally. If they meant nothing to Chell then she would not even care about it and GLaDOS would see this and stop, trying other tactics. --Bulletpainpills 05:07, June 02, 2011 (UTC)
Chell IS chell Johnson. Take a look at the picture of cave and caroline. In the background is a young girl in an orange jumpsuit with cheekbones that match chell's perfectly. 94.192.224.237 04:05, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
File:CaveAndCarolineEdited2.png|thumb|180px|This is just an edited edition of the above picture, it should now be easier to see the girl that we talked about.
File:Chell-crouch.jpg|thumb|look at the structure of the right cheekbone here
It might just be me, but the person on the side of the picture looks more like some kind of a statue to me. It doesn't really look like a little girl as far as I can tell.
The sentry gun opera put on by glados at the end is also singing "oh my daughter" in Italian. Discordance 14:33, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
- Well, even if she was adopted, you can see where Chell got her stubbornness from, Cave was a stubborn SOB. Shadowsaber623 15:45, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
I think given the 3 separate hints found so far that this is a clear and deliberate hint from valve. Whether they are misleading us and Chell is the daughter of someone else important in the company (so important she was in a portrait of cave?) or she is their daughter/adopted daughter who knows but Valve are clearly telling us something. I think its enough to justify adding a section to the article detailing the clues. Discordance 22:31, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
I looked up the lyrics of the song the turrets sing at the end of Portal 2 and here they are, in English:
Dear, beautiful, my dear, beautiful girl, oh Chell, that's too bad, that's too bad, well, My dear, farewell.
My girl, dear, why don't you stay away yes, away from science?
Dear, dear, my girl, my beautiful, my dear, my dear, my girl, my dear, my dear…
(from http://j.mp/fYukpg ) GrandTheftFreak
I think the endearment phrases GLaDOS uses in the song are just that - endearment phrases. Have you ever had an older, unrelated person who cared about you call you 'son' or 'daughter'? No? Well uh, what about slapping your brother on the back (whom you really can't stand) and saying "Heya, *brother dearest*." The GLaDos calling Chell 'dear'/'daughter' could be just that, either showing she does care in a most affectionate way, or just teasing. E gal 18:35, April 28, 2011 (UTC)
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmno. No. I don't think GLaDOS would be teasing, it's a giant goodbye so I don't see how GLaDOS would do that. GrandTheftFreak
Why doesn't anyone think that maybe Rattman is her adopted father. It would make sense considering that he was a survivor and he was always concerned for Chell. He died for her (figuratively speaking). Its just a observation though.
It's impossible for her to be Rat man's daughter. He only knew her as a test subject, not personally. For more info on Rat man's relationship to Chell, read the Rat man comics on Portal's website. What we do know is this:
- 1. GLaDOS says multiple times that Chell was adopted.
- 2. Chell is(was) the child of one of the employees at Aperture science and came in for bring your daughter to work day were she made a potato for the science competition that mutated out of control.
- 3. It seems like Cave Johnson and Caroline were romantically involved.
- 4. GLaDOS is based on Caroline.
- 5. Chell applied to be a test subject, but was rejected for being too stubborn.
- 6. In the portrait of Cave Johnson and Caroline has a girl wearing an aperture science jumpsuit in the background.
- 7. It is possible Chell grew up their since there was a daycare center there.
- 8. At the end, while Chell is leaving, the turrets sing a song in Italian that
translates to: Dear, beautiful, my dear, beautiful girl, oh Chell, that's too bad, that's too bad, well, My dear, farewell.
My girl, dear, why don't you stay away yes, away from science?
Dear, dear, my girl, my beautiful, my dear, my dear, my girl, my dear, my dear…
- 9. When Wheatly calls Chell fat and an orphan, GLaDOS defends Chell, at this point, GLaDOS knows that she is based on Caroline.
It seems like Valve is trying to say Chell was adopted by Cave Johnson or Caroline and is technically GLaDOS' daughter. Peter 10 00:08, May 15, 2011 (UTC)
I agree with Peter. This is, what, 1972? Chell would be older than she is in the game if she was their honest to God biological daughter. I think she was adopted by them in an attempt to create an heiress to Aperture. Plus, Cave and Caroline were both 40-50 years old in the 70's picture, which seems a little old to have children naturally.
I don't think the girl in the picture was Chell, though. It was a statue. The "jumpsuit" looks like a dress because its flowy. Plus, it looks like she's on a pedistal. --ZombiesInLove 01:18, May 15, 2011 (UTC)
I personally think Doug is Chell's adoptive father, but her biological parents are Cave and Caroline.
How is this possible you may ask? I shall tell you:
Chell was a "mistake" that Cave and Caroline made, thus resulting in them putting her up for adoption. Instead of going to a normal orphanage, they gave her up to an Aperture Brand orphanage. Seeing as this is owned by Aperture, some pretty weird stuff goes down there: Instead of letting the kids age normally, they let them grow until about 4 or 5 years old then puts them into stasis to keep them young. When someone comes along to adopt a kid, they take them out of stasis- which is what they did when Doug came to adopt Chell.
Starthedog 01:28, May 15, 2011 (UTC)starthedog
It is highly unlikely that the "girl" (read: statue) in the picture is even a human being since its head is like, two books thick. So that is, in my opinion, out of the question. - SkuLLkld 00:36, May 17, 2011 (UTC)
SkuLLkld
- My theory is that Chell was cave and Caroline's daughter and that Caroline was really Latina, but was painted to be fairer skinned than she really was. She was probbly raised by Caroline and possibly cave and would be frequently seen there however was forced to pretend she was an ophan to protect Cave's reputation which is why it would say in her file that she was an orphan when she got a part-time job at Aperature.
--It is noted (by the trophy case in the old Aperture Science area) that Cave also was adept at "Potato Science." In the room where the science projects are, Chell's seems to be genetically altered. It could be that Cave helped her create her project.
--Also, GLaDOS could have been lying when she said she deleted Caroline, which makes the Turret Opera's lyrics make sense, because she wanted to keep Chell safe. And, it also makes the [REDACTED] line in "Want You Gone" ('Maybe I'll stop feeling so bad') make sense because GLaDOS (Caroline) misses her daughter. Don't forget how easy it is for GLaDOS to lie, and so she could be lying about not caring.
- It doesn't make sense for Doug to be Chell's father, you have to pass mental evaluatons before adopting a child, and all Rattaman seemed to know abotu Chell hhe learned from the line: never gives up.
- Actually, I've been doing a ton of research on schizophrenia due to my Rattmann fangirlism. In a book I read there was actually a STUDY on if adopted children with schizophrenic 'parents' were more likely to develop the disease (They aren't BTW), which means that it IS possible for Doug to have adopted Chell. Besides, he seemed quite level-headed in the flashbacks in the comics. Starthedog 22:04, May 26, 2011 (UTC)Starthedog
The person in the background is not Chell but Aeschylus, the author of 'Prometheus Unbound'. Please refer to the bottom picture: http://imageshack.us/m/638/5135/greekmythologyinportal2.jpg
- Probobly irrelivant, but GLaDOS states the chell is "Adopted" not "Orpahned". Whilst the game does attempt to indicate in GLaDOS's speeches she has no parents, the difference of course in the language is that Adopted usually applies to having parents that genetically do not match. Does this make sense?
- Also, im glad to see there is more of an argument to this, i've been thinking it a while but couldnt find much evidence, Awesome theory! --212.219.57.66 12:26, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
IF (and only IF) Caroline was Chell's Mother than it would make sense for GLaDOS to have deleted her at the end because Caroline would have wanted to keep her safe, and aperature even with the turrets (which GLaDOS/Caroline could turn off at any time) is still safer than the oustide if the events of Half-Life 2 are indeed taking place so either 1) Caroline was deleted, 2) Caroline was not Chells mother, 3) the timeline is incorrect, or a combination of the three
All we know about Chell's parents is that her DAD worked at Aperture sometime in the early 1990's when BYDTWD occured, Cave was dead before 1990 meaning he cant be the dad Chell talks about in her project, and Caroline would have been 50+ by the time Chell was born in the early 1980's making it highly unlikely Caroline is her mother since she would have most likely hit menopause by that time. One of Valve's lead writers Erik Wolpaw said he had no knowledge that the sound team had made the turret opera have a meaning, so its safe to assume if Portal 2's lead writers didn't know the turret operas message becuase they didn't intend for one, it isn't canon. SajuukKhar 08:34, May 31, 2011 (UTC)
Okay, why is everyone assuming that the figure in the portrait is chell? there's virtually nothing to suggest it's her. it just looks like a statue. Plus, GLaDOS would tell chell that she was adopted regardless of whether or not she was, so I wouldn't consider that evidence of anything.
Here's my theory: Cave and Caroline had a daughter by accident, Cave (not wanting to have his image ruined) forced Caroline to giver her up, she then gave her to a high-ish ranking Aperture employee that they trusted so she could still keep an eye on her while she grew up. Chell went through like until Bring Your Daughter to Work Day when she was young. GLaDOS attacked the people, blah blah blah, and Chell was put in Stasis. It could be possible that she still aged in the stasis she was in, and was 19 or so by the time she tested the first time. And I don't think GLaDOS COULD delete Caroline. GLaDOS IS Caroline, but her mind evolved into nothing but hatred to the people who forced her to be an AI per Cave's request. I think she just sent Chell away (acting like she didn't care) because she didn't want to kill her or even keep her so she wouldn't be compelled to kill her later (or else she would have just killed Chell with the turret opera). Thus making the timelines sort-of match-up and still sort-of explain Chell's lineage. Cyrus Arc 01:17, June 23, 2011 (UTC)
FYI, Eric Wolpaw said the turret opera was a joke by the sound team. http://www.joystiq.com/2011/05/10/watch-valves-erik-wolpaw-lecture-on-portal-2-development-nixed/ Around 1:08:30 Eric talks about how they were going to put a song at the end and he left the sound team just do whatever. They didn't consult him about the lyrics or their meaning and as such we cant really take the Lyrics as proof of anything. SajuukKhar 21:10, June 23, 2011 (UTC)
Just because the opera isn't canon now doesn't mean it won't be in the future. I mean it's not like Valve have never retconned before, just ask Barney. ModestEgg December 5, 2011 (UTC)
