User talk:Troutio
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Re: revert of edit on Caroline[edit]
Hello Troutio, I'm sorry I did not explain why I reverted you're edit while doing it, but it was the right thing to do, and I intend have it remain that way. The reason for the revert, was that speculating the background figure on the image is Chell, is speculation. On this wiki, we have to remain factual, and adding speculation is bound to get the edit reverted. However, I should have explained back then why I deleted it, although I did not. I'll try to remember that for the future. Other than that, welcome to the wiki, and I hope that i did not discourage you from editing here, since that was not my intention at all. Just remember to make the edits remain as factual as possible, and avoid speculation. And, for one more, remember to sign your posts with the signature button in the bar above your editing screen. Happy editing. --Fijure 08:34, July 28, 2011 (UTC)
Figure in the portrait[edit]
It isn't really anyone in the Portal story. It's a statue that relates to Greek mythology, if you look closer. McFlurryMax 09:52, July 28, 2011 (UTC)
What McFlurryMax said. In my opinion, you are welcome to add the presence of the statue in the Portrait of a Lady section, but do not write any speculation. Just write that it is a statue from the Greek mythology. (I did once read which figure it depicts, but I do not currently remember it). Remember, it must be kept as factual as possible. No mention of Chell there, please. ;)--Fijure 10:04, July 28, 2011 (UTC)
I'm all for for keeping it factual, so do you have a source for it being a statue, ideally the specific Greek one you thing it is? As far as I can see, it's just a child-sized human figure holding an orange robe. I know there is a good deal of Greek mythology referenced in the Portal 2 story (Cave as Zeus, GLaDOS as Prometheus, Chell as Pandora/Heracles, the robots as Titans, the fields at the end as Elysium) but without anything further, it's a bit of a stretch to call it a Greek statue. Or am I missing something? Troutio 10:28, July 28, 2011 (UTC)
You asked for it. The figure is Aeschylus a greek tragedian. Not mythological figure. check this picture. This is the easiest way for me to show it. The likeness is trememndous.http://www.google.dk/imgres?q=aeschylus+portal+2&um=1&hl=da&tbm=isch&tbnid=SzYxG2tXqaO52M:&imgrefurl=http://forums.explosm.net/showthread.php%253Ft%253D66514%2526page%253D5&docid=wGBrFwBg8_tZ7M&w=400&h=295&ei=7DsxTuTlBcnn-gagjOmiDQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=981&vpy=105&dur=1679&hovh=193&hovw=262&tx=186&ty=155&page=1&tbnh=161&tbnw=230&start=0&ndsp=32&ved=1t:429,r:5,s:0&biw=1600&bih=799--Fijure 10:39, July 28, 2011 (UTC)
If I do an image search for Aeschylus, I don't find that image. Do you have a source for it, or any other indication that it is supposed to represent him? In any case, Aeschylus is seemingly always depicted as a bald man with a beard. Furthermore, there is still nothing which suggests that the figure in the painting is a statue. It has coloured clothing, for one thing. Still convinced? Troutio 11:09, July 28, 2011 (UTC)
Comparison: aside from the orange cloth, I don't see any likeness at all. And still don't understand where the assertation of statuehood comes from! :) Apologies for the miniscule image: if you have a larger source I'd be happy to use it. Do have a closer look in Photoshop: LINK Troutio 11:21, July 28, 2011 (UTC)
Well, regardless of whether it's Aeschylus or not, look at the heads goddamit. they're similar. The orange clothes fit perfectly, so does the style of the statues, and the clothes behind the orange is also blue, and vaguely purple on the portal 2 version. Anyhow, if you see no reminiscence between the Greek figure and the Portal 2 picture, then I'm pretty surprised how you can see Chell in that thing. Except for a bit of orange clothing, which is not even the same type of clothing, htere si no look-alike between Chell and that picture. If you want to add anything regarding it, just add htat there is a orange dressed figure in the background of the picture.--Fijure 11:27, July 28, 2011 (UTC)
Not sure what you're arguing: if you don't care whether or not it's Aeschylus, then any resemblance (and it's speculative at best without a higher resolution image) to the unidentified figure in that Greek forum is moot. Where did that image come from? Is there any evidence to suggest it is shows you think it does? And once more, why do you (both) think it's a statue rather than a child? Without being too absurd about it, statues have plinths, and are monocrome (ie clothing / hair the same colour as the skin). Also, if Cave were having a statue included in his portrait for presumably symbolic reasons, why obscure it?
I'm happy not to suggest it's Chell on the main page, but given the other clues: the apparent age of the figure being about right; it being hidden, possibly forbidden, in the shadows; GLaDOS/Caroline's obviously conflicted feelings about Chell; references to Chell being an Orphan; the contents of the turret song; the redacted surname; the Bring Your Daughter to Work Day stuff: it fits a pattern, is all.
OK, look at it this way: if it *were* a human rather than a statue - and again, there is *nothing* to suggest it *is* a statue - then who else would it be depicting? Why would it be included? Troutio 11:45, July 28, 2011 (UTC)
Now we are driving down the road of speculation, and i would like to avoid that. But I do, however, think that, well Cave Johnson was a rich businessman right? It would not be very unlikely for him to have a rather expensive statue depicting something from ancient Greece in his office. (Where the picture is likely from). And it would by no means be weird if the painter of the portrait would like to include every background detail, such as the shelf in the background.--Fijure 11:50, July 28, 2011 (UTC)
You're not really addressing my point that there is nothing to suggest that it *is* a statue. Seriously, why do you think it is? Troutio 11:53, July 28, 2011 (UTC)
Because I can't see what it would otherwise be. Calling it a child is baseless. Admitted, Cave Johnson is eccentric, but dressing his child in an orange toga and obscuring it beside a shelf in the background of a portrait depicting him and his assistant? Not that crazy. I simply think it's a statue because I am more than certain it ain't no child, and that I really cannot see what else it would be. That should answer your question--Fijure 12:02, July 28, 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, but calling it a *statue* is baseless, if you excuse the pun: the figure is not monochrome, has no plinth, and is not prominently displayed. I can, however, see a reason that a child would be hidden: it's not supposed to be there: it's a secret child he's had with his secretary, Caroline. To take it back to Greek allegory discussed above, Hercules/Chell is the illegitimate child of Zeus/Cave. You'll also note the child is *not* dressed in a toga, but in blue, and is rather *carrying* an orange piece of clothing... just like the test subjects. Not such a reach, surely? Why are you "more than certain" it isn't a child? That seems strange. Troutio 12:14, July 28, 2011 (UTC)
Well, I do know that Chell is orange dressed in orange while testing, but please note this. It is an orange jumpsuit. Not an orange, whatever it is the figure in the portrait is wielding. Even if it is not a statue, it seems far fetched that it should be a child. I mean look at it. It does not look like a living, breathing homo sapiens at all. I dunno what it is, but frankly, I'll tell you that it is not a child. It's dressed in blue, appearently a full body suit, and has a prominent orange sash across it. When you name it Cave Johnson and Caroline's child, then it is because you want it to be Cave and Carolines child. The resemblence with the Greek figure is far more prominent that the resemblence with Chell.--Fijure 12:46, July 28, 2011 (UTC)
- Here are my views: 1. It MAY be a statue. Since when statues are monochromatic? Tons of statues of that size are colored. Most of the time they are made out of wood or plaster, and they don't always have plinths. How many statues have you seen, Troutio? 2. Until I see a source of Valve confirming it, Fijure, it is NOT Aeschylus. It's similar to that painting, and this is where it ends. It DOES NOT match "perfectly" AT ALL. Just vaguely similar as many other paintings of Antique subjects would be. 3. Until I see a source of Valve confirming it, Troutio, it is NOT Chell. Why always link together the only characters we know? There may be more to it. For instance, Doug is not necessarily Chell's brother, Cave and Caroline are not necessarily Chell's parents, Dumbledore is not Harry from the future; not all characters of a universe are related, as much as it is in real life. And why would Chell be dressed in an Antique toga? That doesn't match the game's style. Klow 18:56, July 28, 2011 (UTC)
