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Images

Maybe somebody could add some images of the beta Metrocop. Mega Sean 45 22:01, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Do it yourself. They should be over with the Beta articles.

Who deleted the images? --Mega Sean 45 22:08, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

"Human Traitors" Seriously?

Good day, Wiki. I recently took notice of a improper update by a user "86.42.122.206".

"Civil Protection[3] is essentially the Combine's auxiliary police, making up its ranks from human traitors willing to serve the Combine." How are Citizens that enlist in Civil Protection "traitors"? It is very possible that some Citizens joined Civil Protection for better quality ration parcels and treatment, joined to protect their loved ones (is hinted in the Control radio files), or are loyal to the Combine, having agreed with the Universal Union's ends. I think "traitor" is a improper word and should be removed entirely. One could imagine a Citizen hitting the breaking-point and enlisting in Civil Protection just to get away from the beatings, stop being hungry, and live a better life in general. I also would like to know why "auxiliary police" was added instead of the Thought Police (This game having quite a few concepts from the novel 1984). I believe Thought Police better described Civil Protection. If you have explored the radio files; you will take notice of transmissions such as "loyalty check failure" "All units begin Witness Sterilization" "Sociostability infraction in progress" which all hint that Civil Protection were essentially metroplex stabilization.

'Civil Protection' is essentially the Combine's thought police in all urban areas on Earth, including City 17.'

I believe the above better described Civil Protection. I wish I could expand my perception on this edit, but I really haven't the time. I'll be back later to see if there is a response. Could somebody revert this? If not; why do you believe it should remain?--Suff 13:23, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

> having agreed with the Universal Union's ends
Such agreement constitutes treason in fact - actively and voluntarily siding with foreign (extraterrestrial) power, levying war not only upon one's nation of citizenship, but against the whole human race (Combine's "ends" included total human genocide by means of "supression field"--82.196.80.55 20:47, August 21, 2011 (UTC)

For there to be "treason" there would have to be two sides. There are the Citizens, those who live under the Combine's Regime, working in industrial facilities or manufacturing plants to produce items to the Combine's end. It is very possible that some Citizens believed the propaganda, and enlisted in the ranks of the Combine to serve, or enlisted for a higher quality of life, such as increased rations, real-food and cetra. Then there is the Resistance. The Resistance is mostly based in the City's canal's or the outlandish regions, and serves Humanity as a whole. The Resistance isn't known to have a source of food (aside White Forest), and is unable to consume natural fruits or grow vegetables due to the high levels of radiation and chemicals, therefor it is presumed that the Resistance may be worse off than the Citizens. Enlisting in Civil Protection isn't "treason". I believe it is a biased term to include on the article. It's very possible that Citizens also enlisted in Civil Protection to have a heightened quality of life for their family and loved ones, how would that constitute "treason". Personally; I would have most likely enlisted in Civil Protection to serve to the Combine's end. City 17 seems peaceful to me, no children running amock, no noise, just the occasional identification check and attending Workforce. I wouldn't have to worry about bills, the Combine gives me a apartment to stay in, and I wouldn't have to worry about starving to death. I have been homeless for a number of months, therefor that may be an influence on my views. --Suff 14:11, August 24, 2011 (UTC)

> There are the Citizens, those who live under the Combine's Regime, working in industrial facilities or manufacturing plants to produce items to the Combine's end. It is very possible that some Citizens believed the propaganda
To put it bluntly - during WW2 Nazis occupied a number of European countries and well - some of the citizens also believed the propaganda and served nazi overlords. It is practically the same with one major difference - Nazis commenced genocide of Jews and Gipsies, while the Combine have "a final solution" for all Mankind.
> peaceful to me, no children running amock, no noise, just the occasional identification check and attending Workforce
Peaceful is in a graveyard to me. Yeah - but you forgot beatings, arrests, summary executions and the notorious death camp "Nova Prospekt". As for no children - well this means no future for mankind as a whole - perfect "final solution" variant by the Combine.
> I would have most likely enlisted in Civil Protection to serve to the Combine's end
Even if this would mean participating in mass executions of innocents and serving the "end" of eliminating your own species?
--93.153.204.47 20:34, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

Voice actor(s)

Anyone know who voices the Metrocops? NoriMori (ノリモリ) 14:31, 22 November 2014 (GMT)

Female CPs

Female metrocops are never encountered in the game, but some women also say that they would be ready to join CP for decent meals.
Now, CP voices are unnaturally deep anyways, so do their voices maybe just get modified? Are women only allowed to work for dispatch (as the Overwatch voice)?
Food for theories. Pete (talk) 22:02, 1 January 2015 (GMT)

It's very likely just a game convention for convenience' sake. All of the Stalkers appear to be male too, although it's clear that females were transformed as well. Marphy (talk) 23:04, 1 January 2015 (GMT)

"Ministry of Civil Protection"

I noticed on some of the images of Half-Life: Alyx in the Combine Imagery page that there's a reference to something called the "Ministry of Civil Protection". What could this mean? Should we change the name of this page to use the more formal title? They really seemed to have expanded some of the Combine Bureaucracy. I've even seen references to a Combine mail service on some of the boxes! Ihonnyboy (talk) 05:21, 30 May 2020 (MSK)

Trenchcoat Metropolice Models

Hey, in the Half-Life 2 Pre-Release section, it shows the trenchcoat metropolice models. As much as I love them, I can only find information implying that the model for this design never ended up being leaked, and the models you find in beta packs are recreations. If this is the case, shouldn't we remove the pictures involving the models? QIncarnate (talk) 00:45, 11 September 2020 (MSK)

You're right, images including this model recreation should not be used as featured illustrations for Metrocops as a whole. These screenshots originally did not include the model recreation, but they were updated relatively recently to make them more accurate regarding the mapping. I'll temporarily remove them for now. Marphy (talk) 08:46, 11 September 2020 (MSK)

Sounds good. QIncarnate (talk) 20:07, 11 September 2020 (MSK)

Why is the graphic on their armbands over the images at the top?

Considering the fact that it says "17" on it it's probably different for each city. Wouldn't it make more sense to use a vectorized version of the logo that appears on Gary (https://combineoverwiki.net/wiki/File:Civil_Protection_Logo_recreation.png)? If anything that's probably their main logo. --JerryDX (talk) 16:37, 23 June 2024 (MSK)

There's only one Civil Protection we see in the series, and they all have that armband logo. That's what we can document. There's no sources proving the connection between Gary's tattoo and Civil Protection. The wiki can't operate on "if anything"s and "probably"s. Even including the logo recreated from the tattoo in the gallery, is a stretch in my eyes. If it doesn't appear on MP models and property in HLA, it shouldn't be there and letters "CP" (or "CIP", or whatever it's meant to say) can stand for any number of other things. Cvoxalury (talk) 16:43, 23 June 2024 (MSK)

I think that the logo not standing for "Civil Protection" would be an extremely confusing and weird design decision. Metrocops are the only thing in Half-Life (That I know of) that are referred to as "CP"s and they're called that very often, definitely more than anything else. This is such a small assumption and a very obvious one at that. It's like if it was decided that the revivers shouldn't be in the "Xen creatures" category because they're never explicitly said to be from Xen and could be from Race X's dimension or some other place.--JerryDX (talk) 18:03, 23 June 2024 (MSK)

The logo on Gary is almost certainly (but not definitively, as already currently worded in the article) associated with Civil Protection, but any further context to this particular logo is unavailable since its one and only appearance is the tattoo on Gary himself. Beyond an association with Civil Protection and it being branded on a prisoner, we known nothing else about the logo. There could be a greater meaning to this specific iconography that we're not aware of. In particular, it's rather conspicuous that this logo, in the same game which does feature Civil Protection for a brief period, is not used anywhere near actual Civil Protection units or activity. Perhaps this logo is only used when marking prisoners held by Civil Protection rather than represent the group itself. Given the literal one use we have to go off of, we do not have enough information to assume the logo on Gary's tattoo is the main logo of Civil Protection itself, whereas the logo on the armband of every Civil Protection unit does indeed represent the entirety of what we've seen of them in the series. What may appear on Metrocops in other cities outside of City 17 will only be relevant if the series ever travels to one of them. Marphy (talk) 18:34, 23 June 2024 (MSK)

Fair enough. --JerryDX (talk) 20:51, 23 June 2024 (MSK)

Alternatively there's the City 17 logo alongside "Civil Protection" text on the side of the Combine Prisoner Transport. However, I'm not sure why these articles should include enemy symbols or logos at the top of the infobox - it's unnecessary as the focus is on the model render of the subject. Alepheon (talk) 23:33, 23 June 2024 (MSK)